The Truth About China

Regardless if they’re Communists or not… China is the place to be. Should we be teaching our kids Chinese?

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36 Responses to The Truth About China

  1. Tito Edwards says:

    Just because Communist China is big, doesn’t mean we can ignore their gross violations of human rights.

    My child (God willing) will learn Latin or Greek before they learn Mandarin.

  2. Mark Noonan says:

    No point – they are about to enter terminal demographic decline. Why learn what will one day be a dead language?

  3. Tito Edwards says:

    Mark’s actually correct.

    The problem is even more acute than Mark implies.

    Because of the one-child policy, there are literally 10-20 million more marrying-aged men than marrying-aged women.

    Which is a powder keg for major social upheaval.

    Expect the Communist government to collapse and a cold civil war to engulf China, which may well break up into two, three, or even four autonomous entities within our lifetime.

  4. smf says:

    Oh Yay! It will be the 1930s all over again. I wonder which world powers will get dragged into it this time?

  5. David Jones says:

    Mark, Tito & others – It looks like the Nixon/Kissinger gamble paid off. Capitalism is bringing freedom to China. They will only become more free as capitalism takes roots among its people. China understands its demographic problems and will gainfully use their men youth. How do you say the sausage maker of war? I would be very afraid if I was Taiwan. India provides balance in the region though. Our greatest hope is that making money for Chinese will restrain their imperial ambitions. Will Chinese men be more interested in making money or war?

    Besides Mao was a genius… I wouldn’t discount the ability of the Chinese government to keep things under-wrap. They are doing everything correct now… Allowing greater freedom, promoting education, building their infrastructure. Chinese culture and language is ancient and rich. It’s a classical culture and it’s not going anywhere.

  6. Tito Edwards says:

    Chinese culture is very similar to ancient Roman culture.

    People called themselves Roman in Anatolia, but they were a mixture of Greek and Persian.

    Same with the Chinese.

    There may be a “Han” majority, but within the Han are various cultural and linguistic groups that do not share the same views as other “Chinese”.

    Don’t forget “China” is a very diverse country.

    They are made up of not only the Han, but Mongols, Manchurians, Turks, Cantonese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Tibetans, so on and so forth.

    You think they have demographic problems now, wait until the minority groups start getting agitated.

    Only the Red Army is keeping it under wraps, not capitalism.

    The Tiananmen Square masaquere is only a prelude of what is to come.

    As for Taiwan, the U.S. will ensure they remain and independent and free state before China thinks twice of invading.

    Chinese ambition doesn’t stop at Taiwan.

    They want the remainder of Mongolia, parts of India and Vietnam and the great Russian Far East.

    Not to mention a “Warsaw Pact” type of subservitude of Vietnam, South Korea (North Korea is a few breaths away of being absorbed by China before South Korea will), Bhutan, Nepal, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Japan.

    By the end of the 21st century I wouldn’t be surprised that those “Warsaw Pact” nations would eventually form a customs and cultural union similar to the European Union, but with China as “First Among Equals”.

    Then look out India, Australia, and Russia, it’ll be like the 1930s European powers Great Game, but with China as an imperial power and the three mentioned being carved up into sphere’s of influence.

  7. Cathy says:

    I am confused as to why a Catholic Website would promote the Chinese government. As Catholics, why would we support a government known for corruption, forced abortions, and coercing its population through its one-child policy. Do you actually believe that employees in China have better working conditions in China when considering pollution, wage, and hours?

    Freedom in China is an illusion as long as the communist government is in control. Let’s hope that the US government does not stifle our freedom with its increased regulation.

  8. Tito Edwards says:


    I am sure David wasn’t endorsing Communist China.

    But his comments are confusing, especially for a government that has suppressed the Catholic Church, committed genocide against their own people, and many, many more human rights abuses that would make even Adolph Hitler cringe (for only a brief moment).

  9. Cathy says:

    I just wanted to be sure. Another Catholic site voiced support for Cuba and its way of life.

  10. Art Deco says:


    Han Chinese make up 92% of the population of China. Much of the rest is Tibetan and Uighur. There is linguistic variation, but not much ethnic variation bar in (sparsely populated) Tibet and Turkesatan.

    Other than their intervention in Korea in 1952-53, the Chinese military has limited its warfare to border skirmishes with VietNam and India.

    Parts of India have been undergoing rapid economic development and agencies which produce demographic projections forecast that it will reach a static population higher than China’s, without the attendant unbalanced age structure or sex ratio. I do not think India is going to be easy meat for China’s military.

    They have left Taiwan alone for fifty years, so I tend to think it will be a while before they develop the naval force and ambition to conquer Australia.

  11. Phillip says:

    Now which one would that be?

  12. RL says:

    As for Taiwan, the U.S. will ensure they remain and independent and free state before China thinks twice of invading.

    It’s nice to think that, but I can’t say I see that desire in our government. We’ll pay lip service to it, but if push comes to shove we’ll roll over. We let the free Chinese down once in the last century and we know from our conflicts in Asia that there never was much interest in confronting China. I can’t see the US getting pulled into a war with a huge trading partner that has been accorded MFN status over a distant island nation (that has been becoming less important by the year).

  13. RR says:

    To sum up the comments: China is Communist, therefore it would not be to our advantage to learn Mandarin.

    There’s a lot of wishful thinking in these comments. Not long ago, Russian was the language to learn. Then, it was Japanese. Now, it’s Mandarin. But there are reasons to suspect China’s rise will be more sustainable. The simple fact that if you speak Mandarin, you can instantly market yourself or your products to 700 million middle class Chinese, is reason enough to order Rosetta Stone.

  14. Joe Hargrave says:

    I second Tito and Cathy. Forced abortion and oppression of the Church doesn’t sound like the sort of place for a Catholic to be.

  15. RL says:

    Forced abortion and oppression of the Church doesn’t sound like the sort of place for a Catholic to be.

    And the fact that being a Catholic in communion with Rome is likely to get you in prison for life. 😉

  16. RR says:

    RL, it’s not likely. There’s no shortage of unapproved Masses celebrated with Rome’s blessing. And how many foreigners outside of Chinese prisons have had forced abortions? Have any commenters actually visited Shanghai or Hong Kong?

  17. David Jones says:

    I was being provocative in the comments to begin a conversation. It’s a rhetorical technique.

    Let me be crystal clear – I do not endorse the culture of death which seems to be inherent in a secular humanism like that promoted by Marxism. I am not endorsing the Cultural Revolution of Mao. What I am applauding is how capitalism is growing in China and through that means more freedom is being given to the Chinese people. I would love for more religious freedom to be permitted in China. May the blood of the martyrs be the seed of faith there.

    Saying that I will add this… There much we can learn from studying Mao though. There are numerous reasons why field grade military officers are required to study his writings and thought. I would argue more focus should be put on the foreign policy/international relations with Asia and in particular on China. Economically, militarily, demographically, and culturally they are the real threat (or ally) to the U.S. and the West in general. There are very good reasons why financial experts and self-made millionaires, like Jim Rogers and Marc Faber, are living in Asia.

    In all seriousness I would recommend our kids first learn English, then Spanish and then maybe Chinese…

  18. Blackadder says:

    China’s growth over the past few decades has been impressive. On the other hand, it started at such a low point that achieving high levels of growth is less an achievement than a condemnation of prior policies. China is still a poor country (poorer than El Salvador) and because of the one child policy it is going to face the demographic transition problem before it has gotten anywhere as rich as the other developed nations.

    In terms of learning another language, whether or not China continues to do well I don’t think it will be necessary for people here to learn Chinese, as the Chinese will speak English. In fact, I suspect that at some point in the future everyone on earth will speak the same language, and that language will be English with an Asian accent.

  19. Blackadder says:

    There much we can learn from studying Mao though.

    In a negative sense. The whole history of China’s economic success in the last thirty years can be summed up as “and then they stopped following Mao’s insane policies.”

  20. and that language will be English with an Asian accent.

    Or perhaps an Indian accent? Like tech support?

  21. Kurt says:

    China is a brutal dicatorship. Its move to capitialism has simply made it a brutal (semi-)capitalist dicatorship. it has also resulted in the Chamber of Commerce (when they are not using foreign corporate money to influence American elections!) to be the biggest ally of the interests of the Chinese government in American society.

  22. Blackadder says:

    Or perhaps an Indian accent?

    India *is* part of Asia.

  23. Paul Zummo says:

    when they are not using foreign corporate money to influence American elections!

    It’s good to know that millions in advertising dollars have convinced all of one person. Good job, DNC.

  24. BA,

    True, though that’s not normally what people mean by “English with an Asian accent”…


    Given that Kurt works for Big Labor…

  25. David Jones says:

    If one desires to understand insurgency and counter-insurgency operations then it is highly recommended that you study Mao… It’s a fascinating history of the battle(s) between Mao & Chiang Kai-shek.

  26. Linus says:

    I won’t presume to know much about China, but when is the last time they fought an outside nation victoriously? It seems from the scant amount I know of Chinese history that they are applauded by Western China-boosters for very slowly approaching the level of freedom, industrialization, and civilization that they would have arrived at long ago if the nationalists had defeated the communists, no? If I am mistaken then please correct my perception. I can say authoritatively that the film “To Live,” about a Chinese family living through the communist takeover, might be one of the best movies I have ever seen.

  27. Mark Noonan says:


    Much can be learned by studying Lenin, too…but not much of any worth.

    China is an immensely backward nation where most of the population lives in grinding poverty…they’ve put up a few bright lights in Shanghai and Peking to bamboozle the world, but that isn’t what China is really like for the broad mass of the Chinese population. Their economy is a hot-house forced in to existence by government fiat – they are building empty cities and blowing up new buildings so they can replace them with ever larger white elephants. They are honeycombed with bad debt and sunk in to a morass of corruption. It looks good if you only pay attention to Chinese government statistics and the propaganda of Western businesses who have bet the farm on China, but the reality is pretty bad. It will come crashing down – probably fairly soon; withing the next couple years, at the outside.

    The larger problem with China is that the Ruling Class there thinks itself successful and is now preparing a bid for dominance – at least of east Asia, if not of the world. The best way to think of China in 2010 is to think of Germany in 1910…both nations of apparent prosperity actually staggering under an unsustainable economic model; both with burgeoning military power; both confronted with primary rivals looked upon as weak and in decline. It is almost a certainty that China will attack – probably right as things start to fall apart in the economic sphere and the government needs an excuse to maintain control.

    Such an attack will be an impertinence only slightly less staggering than the Japanese attack on us in 1941 – but that won’t stop it from being a long and bloody war. And the pity of it is that we could still, even now, prevent it…if we had a government which wasn’t addicted to Chinese bond purchases; if we had a government which also understood how to use diplomacy.

    But even with all that, China is a doomed nation – I don’t see how they recover from their coming demographic disaster unless they are quite rapidly converted to Christianity. Absent such a sea-change in Chinese attitudes, they are doomed.

  28. David Jones says:

    The Case for America’s Future by Gary North

    “It is easy to make a case for east Asia’s economic success, but only over the next two decades. East Asia’s economies are growing because their economies are being freed by decisions by politicians to reduce government regulations. But they all have two major problems: (1) the extreme boy/girl birth ratio of at least 120 to 100; (2) the threat of a rapidly aging population after 2025 or 2030. Economist Nick Eberstadt has been writing about this for a decade.

    Japan will hit the demographic brick wall first. It probably has already hit it. South Korea faces the threat, but it has a developed economy. The largest Asian nations – China, India, Indonesia, and Pakistan – are not yet first world nations. Even at high economic growth rates, they will have trouble becoming first world nations by the time their ageing populations force a social crisis: the care and feeding of oldsters, especially old men who never married and who have no sons to support them…”

  29. David Jones says:

    U.S. is currency war’s “tomb maker”: China economist

  30. Kurt says:

    Paul and DC,

    Well, to deny the Chamber of Commerce is using foreign corporate money is to deny te legitimacy of the Mexico City Policy.

  31. Paul Zummo says:

    Well, to deny the Chamber of Commerce is using foreign corporate money is to deny te legitimacy of the Mexico City Policy.

    Ummm, what?

    Even if the story were true, and so far it appears you are the only person in America that has actually bought the story, it is: a) irrelevant and b) kind of hypocritical considering some of the, ummm, interesting fund-raising sources of Obama’s in the 2008 election.

  32. There are many reasons for the Church to be in China. I’ve blogged about them here (search “China”)and have much hope for the people of China. Come and see.

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